Enoughness: breaking free from the scarcity mindset

Scarcity can look like empty cupboards, but it can also look like a packed diary, a tight chest, and a quiet belief that you are not allowed to want, ask, or receive. 

We sit down with Alex Papworth, Mark Henderson, Marie Dove, and returning guest Magnus Florin to unpack how scarcity thinking gets installed through society’s economic story, fear of loss, and the pressure to keep up. The surprising part is how quickly it moves from money into identity: self-sufficiency, guilt, comparison, and the subtle shrinking of the self.

We keep coming back to nature as a reset for the nervous system and the mind. Trees reach for light without a winner-loser mentality, canopies make space, and “greed” disappears when we stop forcing human value judgements onto living systems. From there we question the language of abundance mindset, because “abundance” can accidentally become another way to justify endless wanting. We explore enoughness instead: needs met, presence restored, and a capacity to share from the heart rather than hoard from fear.

The conversation turns practical and personal through gratitude practice, attention as a superpower, and the deathbed lens that clarifies what actually matters. We talk about choosing openness when life hurts, honouring the first emotional reaction without getting trapped there, and remembering that real safety needs are a different conversation that still deserves care and honesty. If you are navigating a scarcity mindset around time, money, love, or self-worth, you will leave with fresh words and grounded questions to guide a shift in perspective.

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Transcript

Welcome And The Theme Of Scarcity

Lyn Man 0:02

Welcome to I Am Enough, the space where we explore journeys back to our forgotten birthright of enoughness, to draw natural wisdom along with awareness, acceptance, and compassion, to support each of us on that journey and embrace our wholeness. Despite what society tells us, each one of us is enough exactly as we are. My name is Lyn Man, and I'd like to welcome you to this space where we explore enoughness, people's journeys along the path to feeling I am enough, and look at what can support each of us on that journey. Hello and welcome to another episode of I Am Enough, the space where we embrace our wholeness. So today I have with me Alex Papworth, Mark Henderson, and Marie Dove. And we've also been joined by Magnus Florin. So Magnus has been on the podcast before, but never within our group. So Magnus, I'm really glad you could join us today. So today we're going to look at the theme of scarcity. So how it shows up in society, how it shows up for us, how it impacts the way people work, act, how it drives them. But also looking at nature and what we can learn from nature, and also from coming, if we came from that place of abundance, what would that look like in our lives? So I'm just going to open it up and see how has scarcity shown up, or how does it show up in the way you think or do act, etc., in your lives?

Fear And Hoarding Close Us Down

Mark Henderson 1:56

Yeah, I I'm coming from a perspective of the sort of overview, and I feel that the odds are very much stacked against us because we're born into a society where the the very sort of monetary and economic system that we're born into is designed around scarcity. So it's very hard for uh it it takes a conscious effort for us to to sort of move away from that because I believe that our education and our working life and even private life is is very much dominated by this predominant societal narrative. So uh yeah, I just wanted to start.  

Magnus Florin 2:45

 W ell, I can I can join you there, Mark, Magnus here. And uh my initial thought was the same as Mark, but also connected to fear. It's that it's it's a very tough, dominant driving force in our society, fear. The fear of loss, the fear of losing what you have, or the fear of not having. And that is that's why we create this uh hoarder mentality, at least in in the Western world, that we should have, even if we I should have, even if uh a lot of other people have in my neighborhood, it's also important for me to have. If everybody has a car, I need to have a car. It's not that we share a car, or just even having a car is yeah, whatever. But it's um so I think scarcity is also connected into fear. Yeah, and for me it also closes down. It it's uh it's got a a restrictive energy around it that's probably connected with the fear, as you say, Magnus, that makes it closes me down, makes me want to hold on to what I have rather than being open to what is, being generous of of mind and uh yeah, it it's uh got got that sort of restrictive feeling around it.

Spiritual Scarcity And Humility Traps

Marie Dove 4:20

I I I relate to that actually what the word that came to me when you spoke there, Mark, and also Magnus was that sense of self-sufficiency. It's like yeah, like I I have to just survive, I have to protect what I have because you know I've been taught that it's not okay to to ask for more or to believe that more is possible within a system that we're born into. But the other thing that came to me actually very strongly, and I didn't expect it to, was a sense of spiritual scarcity as well, like this idea that you know that we've grown up within that system as well, that like we that we should fear somehow, fear, you know, the spiritual and like see that we're, you know, can't ask for help, can't, can't, you know, fulfill that we don't deserve somehow to to feel a connection and that for something else could be provided for us if we asked for help. You know, it's like this kind of fearing, God fearing, that might have been some of us might have grown up with it, like, oh gosh, you know, like I'm a bad person, I can't ask for that, I can't connect to that. But that actually that's not true, that spirituality like creates an abundance, I think. So that I don't I haven't quite formed that, but it just came through very strongly for me, which was really interesting. Didn't expect that.

Magnus Florin 5:49

But isn't isn't that a really interesting? I'm sitting here thinking like this is an interesting process because the beginning of that you're talking about is I think humbleness. Like when you're spiritual, you you're supposed to be, supposed to be. I'm not gonna say supposed to be, but there is a an element of humbleness in the abundance, right? If I'm humble, I should not ask for more. It's like I should be grateful for what I have. But then when that is put into some kind of ideological system, it suddenly can become an oppressive thing. So something that originates from a really good point of departure, which comes from gratefulness of what you have and humbleness of what's given to you, becomes an oppressiveness when it's put into some kind of ideological system somehow.

Alex Papworth 6:53

Yeah, it's like a shrinking shrinking of the self. That's why I'm laughing when you when you said that. And then um and I'll admit actually, I don't know, I'm not sure this is a scarcity topic, but my the inside of my head's been like a pinball machine as this conversation started up. So uh it's been it's yeah, it it's sort of trying to find a topic for trying to find a hook, trying to find a way to talk about this is actually I found quite difficult, which I'm I feel in some ways possibly speaking to scarcity in some ways as well. Maybe it's something to do with expression and uh having to express and find words and pin things down when it's just yeah, a pin-poor machine, as I say, is the best the best analogy for. But for carrying on your theme, like this you know, and starting to get grounded, you know, humbleness, humility, humorous earth, suddenly that becomes a lot easier for me. That language because it's starting to come into we're talking about ground now, you know, and that for me is a much you know a safer starting point or a more productive starting point than you know what what is what does being humble mean? But let's start talking about yeah, that feels like a good place to to avoid that danger of um the shrinking, you know, the humble the making yourself smaller. Um yes, that's my pinball uh shot at the moment there.

Poverty Mindset And Shrinking Ourselves

Lyn Man 8:23

It's really interesting just listening to where we've you know, where we've gone in that, having looked at how kind of the whole ideological how the whole system is set up for scarcity to start with. Kind of looking through to then how it's like fear installed and even bringing in with this with spirituality, it comes or coming from that place, it's it's all about fear and even you know, from that place of actually you know, you can't have too much. It's the the conditioning that's there is that you shouldn't want more, you should be grateful. It's it's kind of I feel like going back to that shrinking, it's it's oppressive. And just you know, looking at this, what I wrote down was even was to me it was it was what I wrote down was poverty mindset. And is it that you know, because of that scarcity that we feel we're not entitled to I don't know if it's even related, but it was just really interesting suddenly thinking, actually, hold on. You know, do are we actually keeping ourselves small because we think that there isn't enough for everybody? And if we don't feel we have enough, we want more. If we feel we have too much, then we feel guilty. And it's all around just making Yeah, going back to that that that shrinking that's protecting what we have, but bringing us down rather than actually looking out and going back to what you were saying, Alex, about actually you know, you you almost you needed to be able to ground this and take it out into the earth and to see that and actually that there there's plenty of around. But if I go to, you know, again, going back to fear and lack, it's like how do we actually start to open up to the fact that potentially there is more out there, that there is enough. And and I think, you know, we're we're talking about so many different things because the other thing for me, you know, it's we've we're not just talking about really kind of money or things, we're also talking about time, we're talking about energy, you know, our physical energy, it it really can l impact everything around us. So how do we start to see that that actually maybe it is a way of looking at things and that we can actually have and appreciate what we have without needing to protect it and learn to have more and to create more.

What Trees Teach About Enough

Alex Papworth 11:54

As a as a starting point, or maybe maybe launching off point for that for me as as you were speaking, Lyn.

Mark Henderson 12:01

And and what I what I was actually hoping for early was looking at the sort of the non-human natural world as as an example, as we always find that's um takes the energy out of things and the emotion out. And I was thinking of a couple of concepts from uh from trees growing in in a in a forest where you have I think there are different terms for that. I'm aware of the term tree shyness where the canopy naturally forms some trees grow up alongside each other, and there isn't a tussle, there isn't a fight for resources. They just if you look up and you naturally see, as you can see on the tape, I'll show my hands up above my head, but they naturally form the take up the light because it's available, but there is no fire, there are no winners or losers in that's in that sense. But the other thing, also I've I've I've been reading about how trees work to a degree which has actually bored me sort of recently in one book, and um but I did learn that it was really interesting how if you if you see in a park and you'll see where trees are growing in there on the edge of let's say um the grassland or some pathways inside, and you'll see the branches sort of sprinting out almost over the available light. So again, it's just it's these resources, there is that abundance of light and it's being utilized because it's available. But equally, when there isn't an abundance of light in the min in a you know middle of a forest, you know, growth, vertical growth is more important, and then as I say, the canopy up above is where there's a natural sharing, if you want to call it out and very wary about putting human sort of um terms around it, but they naturally find an accommodation maybe as a way of looking at where that light is is consumed appropriately, and there is no and for me that it's about relating to others, you know, the winner and loser mentality and I need to win, so you know, you need to lose that I win so I have enough, you know, so I have or maybe too much. But in our example, I was providing there was you know, you could say that tree would have been greedy. The greedy tree take out way too much light, but it's it's there, it's abundant. No one else is using it. It's it's you know, reaching out across that path because there is no other trees competing for that light. So I f I found that a lot more a good helpful uh way of framing or looking at you know, the human equivalent, whether whatever aspect we're gonna explore.

Magnus Florin 14:24

 I f I find that so interesting, Alex, when you say that, because that makes me think that it I really loved when you were saying the greedy tree. That makes me think of maybe we as humans are the one who actually creates this value-based idea of scarcity and abundance. But I don't think I wonder if a tree would think like that, you know, it's like I I am a greedy tree. No, it it utilizes the resources that is available for that tree at the moment.

Lyn Man 15:04

Yeah.

Magnus Florin 15:05

But we are putting some kind of value into that when we says scarcity and abundance, and now now we are not trees, we are we are a different system as humans, and we function differently, and we have different abilities. But maybe one ability is is to put value into through the language, explain the world. But when we do that, we separate the world, and when we separate the world, the wholeness of the world, into pieces, it also it creates a process that we can put value into one piece and the other, different value to different pieces. And that is inevitable creating a situation where we then relate to scarcity and abundance. But maybe from the very core of us, we're just a part of the whole, and then there is no separation. I don't know if that made any sense, but yeah.

Mark Henderson 16:11

Yeah, I I would like to to give an example among this of the people of Fiji, who for many years have been considered the the happiest people on earth. And I wonder if it's maybe not a coincidence that the way that they lived was in in abundance and in a gifting uh I I I'm gonna use the word economy, but it it's not relevant really. But they they so and and they lived in in from a perspective of gifting, you know, until quite recently compared to the rest of the world. So I understand, I don't have direct experience, but I understand that you know native Fijians are are probably probably struggle in business because it's so alien a concept of in comparison to their gifting, a very, very transactional the way that they would see it. Whereas they just come from the heart and share what they have and sense need and and share where where there's need. And it's interesting that uh yeah, they're they're considered very happy people as well. So yeah. I I also think of the again the spiritual perspective of when you mentioned time, then if your perspective is that the life that I'm living is one of many that I have lived and one of many that I am still to live, then time takes on a different perspective, as well as a a lot of other things, uh including maybe the the need to accumulate physical wealth. So yeah. Again, the spiritual perspective changes things.

Marie Dove 18:11

I'm just feeling as I'm listening in, and I don't know, I can't quite get it, but I'm feeling that abundance isn't well, isn't what we have, it's how we look at things. I feel like a lot of this comes down to gratitude, you know, for the place that we've been given on the on the earth and everything, and that we have everything that we need, while some of us, you know, not everybody does, but like like I don't know, I can't it's like do I really feel great grateful? Do I feel really grateful for the life that I've been given? And if I if I did, I would feel so abundant. Like I think Yeah, it's like or do I always feel like I need more? Or I don't have this or I don't have that because that's a mindset that we can get into, and I don't mean material things necessarily, but just like, oh if this was like this or if that was like that, or if that just feels like it gets in the way of like deep-seated appreciation for the place that I've been put and for the experiences that I have, and and and when you were speaking about Fiji, I was thinking, and that's what made me think of it, that not everything is what we have, because there's so many examples of people in in really, really adverse situations who are deeply appreciated and deeply happy and grateful for what they've what they experience. So it I and I can't speak for those people and I can't I don't have enough knowledge about that, but that I have heard examples and it just I just think like gratitude is such an interesting like we can all say, oh feel grateful, but to really feel grateful, to really experience like gratitude for for for the even the difficult moments, like oh I don't know, there's just something really deep in that for me around like when I'm dying, what will I w how will I look at my life? Like where was my abundance? It won't be like my bank account, it won't be I imagine it'll be the connection that I had with somebody or like the sunset I saw or the experience of something in my life. And really when I think about that, there is no scarcity, you know. Like I can look at you know, I can connect with the sun, set, sunrise, whatever, but how much do I appreciate that? Probably not enough, really. Um that's the spiritual connection for me. It's like I've been given this time, I've been given this time on the planet uh to experience and to live. And yeah, where's my gratitude for that? You know. Interesting.

Magnus Florin 20:57

Marie, that that it was wonderful what you said, but I want to circle back, no, but but that makes me think of circling back to where we started, which started with talking about that uh we started talking about a shrinking process, the scarcity shrink, our mindset. What you were talking about now, Marie, is for me is opening. It's like it's it's like uh, and and when you said you when you lie on your deathbed, or when I lie on my deathbed, I also hope that I'm not shrinking and grasping the life I've lived. I hope I'm opening towards the unknown that's gonna happen. And and I think that is that is a mindset you could use even in right now, when like in my own life, I could I could either open or I could close, you know. And close for me becomes scarcity and open. then I open to whatever this gratefulness or abundance or yeah.

Marie Dove 22:07

But yeah, I think that's so true. And I think that when we started this, I thought of scarcity. I was thinking, oh, it's related to like instantly went to money and to material things. And I am realizing as we speak like how much I live in that scarcity. Like I I have my faith and I have my whatever, but it's like how much do I really embrace that and how much do I live it rather than intellectualise it? You know, like, oh yeah, you know, nature's really lovely and like my faith is really lovely and stuff. But it's like it's not for it's not embodied enough. And I am, you know, I I recognize like the ingratitude in me. I recognise that. And really if you really connect with that it's deeply shameful. But it is also part of a human experience that we disconnect, disconnect all the time from from those things. So yeah, it's really helpful conversation to realise well yeah I'm actually in this a lot. I'm in this starcity a lot and I need to need to really yeah it keeps me in check you know just thinking about your deathbed and you're thinking hang on a minute like that could be any moment like what what am I doing about living right now? Like come out of the head. Connect with life really gosh.

Lyn Man 23:15

Yeah. Yeah I love that kind of that from the opening and closing and how we do it because what I'd written down just before was actually what I was hearing was it's very much about coming back into ourselves. So whatever it relates to whether it it is money and me what we feel we need, whether it is time or whatever, but it's actually learning to really go within ourselves and listen within and actually when we can come back to that we can go back going back to what Magnus said right at the start about you know well everybody has a car therefore I have to have a car and it's like we really really go within it's like do I need the car? You know what else what do I really need? What will what will make me happy and what's taking me away from from myself which is very often how we're perceiving things and that we can we can easily change that it's just as you've been saying Marie it's like actually how am I looking at this? Am I just really kind of looking at it as a oh yeah that that's nice or am I actually truly appreciating it and I think you know for me it's interesting because we've had a quite a few grey days again and and it's amazing how those grey days actually feel after it's been there for quite a while. It actually unless I really get out and start looking deeply at nature I can actually start to just not appreciate things as much because it's like for some reason the the whole grayness kind of takes me out of really seeing the true beauty everywhere. So so it's it's interesting how for each of us it's it's different but the more I think we're aware of ourselves then the more we can, you know, going back to what you said Marie about realizing actually you know scarcity is is more than just money and resources. It's actually almost how we're looking at life. So actually what can we change? We can change how we're looking at it

Mark Henderson 25:54

and how we're looking at ourselves when you know the the the name of this podcast is I am enough and you know we have scarcity of scarcity towards ourselves and how we regard ourselves so uh yeah it's it really feels like it's intertwined with with most of the aspects of life that we face in Western society. And I was I was thinking about what you were sharing Marie about gratitude. You know if we if we look at uh quantum physics you know the the universe gives us more of of the state of energy that we're expressing and so ironically you know gratitude actually g gives us more of of uh what we're grateful for so uh so yeah I think that's a nice uh to to flip it into the the opposite of scarcity maybe gratitude is so so powerful and a conversation earlier today with somebody and I'm just sharing that you know my most amazing mystical experiences have been as a result of starting with gratitude moving into all and then that sort really opens the door to um to to yeah the unknown and and potentially uh amazing experience

Enoughness And Trust As Rebellion

Magnus Florin 27:30

there use the word open again and it opens yeah the door to I thought it was interesting that we when you spoke uh Lyn you also talked about light grey uh which which have a feeling of enclosement or like it closes down somehow and then when the sun comes up it opens up and I can see the beauty is interesting because Alex was talking about light and the trees before so I just saw there's a theme here as like there's a theme of light there's a theme of opening gratitude coming back in our conversation. It's fascinating just how the um energy has changed as well. I think with with us and within us certainly within the the pinball the machine has stopped uh firing so just as uh we were joking about central therapeutic benefits of this but I'm certainly feeling them at the moment so uh not quite sure what that has to say to to c to comment on this this exploration but as a sort of living example of abundance I mean I'm finding myself actually not really being drawn to the words if I'm honest with you and then there's it's almost like a trap within them something maybe we touched on and and the language of opening and uh and so forth is definitely much more I mean grateful is definitely much more useful perhaps and yeah it's uh let less likely to to trap you.

Mark Henderson 29:13

I was thinking about that Alex when when Magnus shared earlier about you know this the spiritual path and um you know is it is it okay to you know the humility and etc and yeah I I just wonder if enoughness is a is a better word where you know all needs are actually taken care of without the need to be to to have yeah abundance depends how we define the word but it has that connotation of having more than you need. And uh I suppose the if if we look at many of the the spiritual traditions around the world then a lot of them point to a place of not needing anything sort of the sort of enoughness has that sort of quality for me that sort of acceptance and enoughness. So the wanting somehow subsides and I'm sure there's a lot of appreciation in there. So yeah just wanted to share that uh a word of enoughness.

Magnus Florin 30:27

I I like that because actually when if we if we kind of think that scarcity and abundance could be really connected into what you started the whole conversation with Mark is like the money um the the fundament of of our economical system is the scarcity lack and and someone has a lot more and the whole system is based on creating more that's that's what it is is based on which might be a like so if we want to be radical and and trying to live differently or trying to have a different mindset I think these words that you're talking about enoughness and and gratefulness and you have one more word now I missed it but but those things are that's a different perspective because you don't you don't think about lack scarcity you don't think about abundance like creating more value you just acceptance you also said yeah acceptance enoughness and and gratitude is like that's that's uh for me sounds like a very radical way of of doing some kind of rebellion within the system starting to change the language of and when you change the language you also change the way you look at life through the words

Choosing Meaning When Life Hurts

Mark Henderson 31:58

yeah and I think there's there's an element an element of trust here as well so we're we're trusting the system the universal system the the planetary system to provide that enoughness to support us in in that journey towards enoughness or or not a journey it's a it's a a state of being of enoughness I think as as you were saying earlier it's it's uh you know these words aren't necessarily about material things they're about a state of mind um and and I think that's so true um because we can be uh we can be mean with with our with our love with our words with our thoughts you know and and be be in a state of scarcity there as well I I feel like what you're saying is almost rising what I'm hearing is like rising above the sort of earthly systems of uh scarcity abundance and connecting with more like uh the openness the flow of life and that when you do that it's like you're trusting something different it's not like oh I don't have enough or I've got loads.

Marie Dove 33:20

It's like I'm trusting something else and I'm trusting something bigger that's like this is made me think about when something happens in your life that's difficult. And I always notice two things happening me. The first one is like my you know the sort of I want to kick back against it you know like this isn't fair like this is so difficult how am I going to cope? And that's like my sort of like little child kicking off having a tantrum and then there's another part that's like yeah but what is this for? Like what am I hit what do I need to learn from this situation? And these two parts happen and I don't you know I get a choice there I get a choice which one I decide to to stick with. I often feel like I need to pass through the child to get to the higher purpose. So I don't like deny that part of me but it it's like when you I do notice a massive shift in myself when I can connect with the part that's like okay why is this happening what am I learning what's it for and then I I feel more of an acceptance more of an openness and that's that kind of feels related to this in a sense it's it's like there's a bigger thing happening here like trust in that and then you know we'll I'll receive what I need to receive and you know we just deal with it.

Lyn Man 34:30

And it's not always easy like at all and it's the same you know and it's i I can sit here saying it's not you know living on the streets or whatever but it's um there is yeah that that sort of something higher than than the systems that we're living in isn't there it's um yeah and may maybe those are the origin that is the original natural system that we were designed to live in Marie and and what we what uh we in modern society live in is um a manufactured false system that we can evidently see is favoring the few to challenging the majority and yeah presenting so many of the social and uh environmental challenges that we're now dealing with definitely I just want to go back there to what you were saying Marie because when I'm when you're talking what I'm hearing you saying is there are the two sides there's the kind of the the immediate kind of emotional reaction and then there's the kind of the the moment you're okay what what am I going to learn here? But you're allowing yourself to go through both so it's like it's not making one right or wrong and I think very often what happens is you either have people stuck in the story of the first one or pushing away the first one because they think they have to be you know that that's they can't do that. So they go immediately to looking trying to look at it from a positive perspective yet you you know what you beautifully highlighted is it's actually it's life we're experiencing life and it's the good and the bad and it's how we work through it. So what we're talking about here isn't about looking at everything from that kind of Pollyanna perspective. It's actually looking being realistic but also recognizing I have a choice as to how I'm going to look to it. So I will honour what I'm feeling and I will you know listen to what my initial reaction is and let the emotions go through me but then I will step into whatever I need to do. And then with that as well for me it was going back to I think when Mark and Magnus when you've been talking it's that going back to that actually just that that word abundance and I think you know it's been it is so interesting with words and how the the definitions or how people use them to justify their actions so it's like well I'm looking at it from abundant perspective therefore I'm allowed to want more because if I don't look at it from you know if I don't look at it from that way then I'm coming from scarcity and it's like going back to what Mark said about enoughness it's actually what do I really need and coming back within what is enough for me and we're all different. So what I need is going to be different from what Magnus needs, what Marie needs and what Alex needs and what Mark needs and that's okay and I think that's also part of it that accepting that our needs are unique to our circumstances and be okay with that and be okay if somebody has something else or somebody doesn't have something and yeah it's it's just really interesting looking at how even our language impacts how people act and move for want of a better word within this framework

Magnus Florin 38:54

there's a word that comes to mind when I hear you speak Lyn and that is attention because I think that attention is a sa superpower we as a human inherit superpower as like what we give attention to grows. So and and what you were talking about what also came to mind there is like maybe we could say that enough enoughness and and acceptance is a radical a rebellious way of speaking about our lives and a mindset. But at the same time for another person maybe abundance is the word that that person needs to have give give attention to to be able to live a good life you know and and um so it it might be yeah it it's a matter of what we give attention and then we can use the language as a way of guiding us into a flow where we need to go. If we have attention to that but for someone else maybe it's right the abundance if I've lived in a very mindset of I am not allowing myself to uh to feel happy about what I actually have, then maybe abundance is the completely right thing that should be given attention to because it opens up for that person for gratefulness and whatever it is.

Mark Henderson 40:36

Yeah. I've just looked up the etymology of the word abundance language. Yeah and it stems from the Latin abundare meaning to overflow or run over. So there's that that that flow that you word you used and you know water is a very real and you know water essential to life. Yeah um so yeah I just wanted to add that since you used the word flow flow yeah and and then for me that that that sort of feeling of trust yeah and and and sort of being in a flow is is related. And I I I also when you were speaking Lyn I just I'm so grateful for conversations like this because I feel that you know it's important to for us to to sort of start to think about you know what what is the world that we want to live in and so few people are having that conversation and it feels important that we envision in envision what we want to to move to and sort of challenge these words and concepts that um you know aren't serving us. I think is is an important part of that.

Mark Henderson 41:58

Talking of words we shall sell you I I want to just raise something I I don't I don't think this is um relevant for this conversation but it's easily confused. So when we talk in at least in my head this is what I take. So when we talk about scarcity and we can often look at others and it's you know some have have's and have nots let's say we've talked about that and I've I I'm actually just highlighting this is something I'd certainly like to talk about in future podcasts but yeah without into articulate it too in too detailed way but it but the idea of you know physical safety for example so you know do you do I have enough to eat? Do I have shelf do I have my physically, psychologically and so forth safe and I'm just really highlighting it because I I think it's it's certainly a topic I'd like to talk about and easily confused I think with scarcity and abundance and judged actually it's easy to be judged for uh in this context. I think we're all relatively speaking, you know comes and don't suffer from those any of those deprivations. But I think it's yeah, I think I'm really trying to draw a really clear not a clear line but just a to recognise that's an important exploration for future but not I don't think it's the same scarcity you know we're talking about inner well being our relationship with ourselves and there's a whole yeah there's a whole exploration to be had around you know comparing with others which we touched on to some degree. Yes anyway I've said my piece but I'll be curious to see if that resonates or if there's any response to that from anyone.

Lyn Man 43:46

I just say I think it's interesting you bring that in because actually we've talked about you know that feeling of a we constricting of a we opening up but actually to really truly understand and be comfortable within ourselves, we do have to feel safe to come back in because otherwise it takes us back to the fear which Magnus brought in right at the the start. So yeah, it's it's interesting how everything is interconnected. And you know, for me, this was always going to be very broad because we you you can look at it from so many different perspectives. And it really is how, you know, I love I do love the words that being used all the way through is kind of like, you know, how do we appreciate, how do we look at it from gratitude, how do we see enoughness? How do we how do we know the words that we need to be using to support us on the journey um you know in our own lives and and how are our even going back to what you were saying about you know on your deathbed what are you what are you going to be thinking? And I think it's even with that going back to what Mark said about you know the perspective of how many lifetimes do we believe or do we believe we've had about lifetimes. So therefore are we actually concerned about you know how do we let fear of not having enough time actually influence how how we spend our time here. And I think when we when we come back to that fear of not having enough whether it's time whether it's energy whether it's it's money then it actually does influence how we live and or don't live for want of a better way of putting it you know I keep being drawn to the paintings on the wall behind Magnus which are his his wife has drawn and they're they're so bold and vibrant and it is for me that's it it's that vibrancy because within the kind of the the colours and the shapes of them it it represents that living life a vibrant life a full life and so yeah how is it we can come back into that and just be really aware of our mind and what how it's taking us away from maybe having actually a a fuller vibrant life.

Marie Dove 46:53

I would yeah I think I think it's really interesting listening to what Alex said because that really resonated with me and then listening to what you said Lyn and I think what's coming up for me is like we we almost if I'm born into the life I'm born into I almost have a feel that I almost have a responsibility to appreciate and to feel grateful. And that can be a weight a bit but it's in reality I if I've been born into comfort of comfort then I have a responsibility to what do to work with myself to become more grateful to become more open hearted to be able to give more because like you've said some people if they're in survival they are if you're in survival you don't have the same capacity to perhaps you know work on yourself in the same way because you're just living you're just having to survive so do we have a responsibility if we're born into comfort to really be grateful for the life that we we've been given and to create that sort of higher vibration for the planet in a way that's what's coming to me is because if I feel guilty or if I don't appreciate what I've been given that's like a very like an ungrateful that's like saying oh thank you for giving me this life but I'm not really very grateful for it I feel guilty for for having it and it's like well that's that's like someone giving you a gift and you're saying oh no I don't I don't deserve it thanks. You know and I know that's a bit of an icky subject but it is like if we if I'm really honest I think there is something in that because I was born here in this moment to live this life. Maybe in the future I might not have I might end up you know who knows what's going to happen. The planet's very everything is very unstable it may be that I end up homeless I don't know what's going to happen in the future.

Mark Henderson 48:53

Things are very very delicate now but at this in this moment I was born into this life and if I don't appreciate that what is you know that's when there are people who are really having a very difficult very very difficult life so it's a subject that's huge and I think that it's something that comes up a lot in you know the sort of the guilt that we have for the life that we've been given but that for me is like if I don't appreciate it then it's it's giving it's repaying badly a gift but and that is maybe creating some karma for myself in some way if I'm not going to appreciate what I've given been given and I think that's something to is a responsibility really that's how I feel I don't know that's my truth I don't really know what other people feel but there's something big in that for me definitely very much a sense that that I've had in my life as well is that that sort of sense of responsibility to to appreciate and make the most of the the the comfortable life that's that I was given as a child and I've continued to create for myself. Yeah absolutely I was gonna say that that almost sounds like a new two new themes for a podcast. One is responsibility is one and the great and one is gratefulness.

Lyn Man 50:14

That could definitely be two very interesting topics to talk about especially with that framing you said Marie Yeah and it's interesting with with what you said there as well what I'm hearing is that actually when we when we're coming from that place of actually appreciating and being more open it actually takes us in a place where we can give more and we can do more for others or for the planet whatever's right for us rather than if we're in that place of having shut down we contract and we're we're going back to the word Mark used right at the beginning, we're hoarding I think it was Mark that said it. But it's that so it it makes a big difference in the world as a whole not just on the the the vibration level but actually also on actually how the the world can function so so yeah interesting. Yeah I've kno I've now got three additional podcast topics here.

Marie Dove 51:36

Yeah thank you gonna say it's definitely something that's come out of this conversation for me to work on because it's I'm not I'm definitely not sitting here all pious and saying oh I'm grateful for everything I receive in my life like it's definitely something that makes you reflect and it's work to do.

Lyn Man 51:53

Yeah yeah totally yeah so so just to to finish off our conversation what yeah few words one sentence what are you taking away and what would you like others to take away

Alex Papworth 52:15

I think for me it's um perspective I knew this question was coming so I had been thinking about it but I I've noticed in all the conversations it's just like if you're if you're stuck in scarcity mindset all the conversation to some degree rather about about shifting perspective whether that's through the language you use, whether that's talking about your responsibility, whether it's talking about being on your deathbed whether it's looking at um you know different groups like the Fijians but that to me is all whether it's looking at a non-human natural world as an example as a c sort of comparison to get you out of those sort of human moralistic framings. That for me is obviously the most useful thing is is when you when you fit in that that closeness, that scarcity mindset trying to find a tool for for changing perspective. But my coaching's always gonna be looking at the trees seeing how they see how they operate how they think.

Mark Henderson 53:20

A nd my mine is simple one it's gratitude.

Magnus Florin 53:26

Yeah I'm I'm gonna have um I'm gonna have these words that I I love that Mark said. So gratitude acceptance enoughness in combination with attention.

Marie Dove 53:41

So those things I'm gonna bring with me I feel like wow I feel like I need to reflect further is there's just a lot come up for me. I think I don't know keep getting an image of the sun in my head for some reason I was talking about like whenever I think about the end of my life I I do think why didn't I appreciate the sun more like the sunrise the sunset like there's something that always comes up for me I mean I've I've had quite a few people in my life pass away and a lot of the time I the it was just sort of being there at the end with them and thinking they'll never see the sunrise or sunset again. And I I just I don't know there's something about that for me and I brought it in today about appreciation of the sunrise so I don't know I feel like I need to go out and have an appreciation of like the little things in my life every day actually yeah like just appreciation really for what I've what I receive because I think I lose touch with that too much.

Lyn Man 54:45

Well thank you everybody for for sharing conversation it's um I look forward to our next one on one of our many topics before thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you for listening to this episode of I am enough we hope you enjoyed it and are inspired to see yourself as enough and create possibilities. If you would like to discover more please visit earthaconter.org